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00:00:00.025 --> 00:00:03.085 Uh, some linear footages with, uh, with you, Jack.

1 00:00:03.085 --> 00:00:06.405 Sorry. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. Weird noise just went off.

2 00:00:06.825 --> 00:00:11.005 Um, I got linear footage on zero edge at 119

3 00:00:12.825 --> 00:00:15.115 foot, four or so inches.

4 00:00:15.305 --> 00:00:19.155 5, 4, 5 inches. Mm-Hmm. Is that, is that accurate?

5 00:00:20.255 --> 00:00:21.745 That sounds right.

6 00:00:22.125 --> 00:00:24.905 So you would go off the inside part of the beam

7 00:00:24.905 --> 00:00:26.105 or the outside part of the beam

8 00:00:26.105 --> 00:00:27.185 you're looking for? Uh, well,

9 00:00:27.555 --> 00:00:28.665 Water side, I think.

10 00:00:28.755 --> 00:00:31.145 Water. So the water would actually flow over,

11 00:00:31.755 --> 00:00:35.745 which would be, uh, essentially like the inside edge

12 00:00:35.745 --> 00:00:36.865 of the coping jack.

13 00:00:37.905 --> 00:00:40.955 Yeah. Let me double check that number real quick.

14 00:00:45.595 --> 00:00:46.965 Perimeter of granite's.

15 00:00:46.965 --> 00:00:48.885 A better, way, more accurate way for me to say that

16 00:00:48.885 --> 00:00:50.645 to you guys, if that makes any sense from

17 00:00:50.645 --> 00:00:51.645 Granite? Yeah.

18 00:00:51.645 --> 00:00:52.355

19 00:00:55.365 --> 00:00:59.475 I am getting, I got

20 00:00:59.795 --> 00:01:02.235 119 feet, four inches.

21 00:01:03.105 --> 00:01:06.235 Okay. Yeah. I went, I, I got 119, uh,

22 00:01:06.235 --> 00:01:09.355 0.3, uh, repeating. All right, cool.

23 00:01:09.775 --> 00:01:11.035 Yep. Which is the exact same.

24 00:01:11.065 --> 00:01:12.235 Okay. Good. Good, good, good.

25 00:01:12.235 --> 00:01:13.315 Alright, then inside

26 00:01:13.315 --> 00:01:15.475 and outside of your spot at 28 and 36?

27 00:01:27.675 --> 00:01:28.615 Yep. 28

28 00:01:33.145 --> 00:01:36.995 and 36. Yes.

29 00:01:37.105 --> 00:01:40.195 Alright. Dope. Alright, so why those are pertinent

30 00:01:40.195 --> 00:01:42.675 to verify is like, so, so the numbers we're about to run,

31 00:01:42.815 --> 00:01:44.315 I'm running 'em off the same numbers you got.

32 00:01:44.315 --> 00:01:46.995 Okay. I, because those are our,

33 00:01:47.125 --> 00:01:49.915 those are our three we edge weir edges.

34 00:01:50.815 --> 00:01:53.355 Um, so questions to ask some decisions here.

35 00:01:53.815 --> 00:01:55.675 Uh, did we know what thickness we were gonna

36 00:01:55.675 --> 00:01:56.835 operate over the edge?

37 00:01:56.835 --> 00:01:58.995 We're gonna go at a eighth of an inch, quarter of an inch.

38 00:01:59.025 --> 00:02:00.025 What are we doing?

39 00:02:01.225 --> 00:02:03.355 Just wanna verify, uh, quarter of an, okay.

40 00:02:04.825 --> 00:02:07.755 Alright. So that will put us at seven

41 00:02:08.015 --> 00:02:09.275 For the meniscus we were talking.

42 00:02:09.275 --> 00:02:11.235 Right? That'll work for like the seven mile an hour

43 00:02:11.245 --> 00:02:12.555 winds, eight mile an hour winds, right?

44 00:02:12.555 --> 00:02:13.955 Yeah. The six to eight. Yes sir.

45 00:02:14.215 --> 00:02:16.155 Yep. Six to eight. Yeah. So

46 00:02:16.155 --> 00:02:18.475 that's seven gallons per minute per linear foot.

47 00:02:18.775 --> 00:02:18.995 Um,

48 00:02:22.775 --> 00:02:23.945 grab Mac calculator.

49 00:02:24.725 --> 00:02:25.305 Run through these.

50 00:02:38.735 --> 00:02:39.635 Pardon me one second.

51 00:02:57.445 --> 00:03:00.125 Irene works remote too, so she sends me a text.

52 00:03:00.455 --> 00:03:04.845 Would you mind giving me some water? I can't at the moment.

53 00:03:04.935 --> 00:03:09.265 Sorry. Alright,

54 00:03:30.475 --> 00:03:32.695 so I've got 835 gallons per minute

55 00:03:32.715 --> 00:03:35.975 for the zero edge operating at the quarter inch meniscus.

56 00:03:38.265 --> 00:03:40.925 So you just did, uh, do what, what,

57 00:03:40.925 --> 00:03:42.765 what edge do you go with on the spa?

58 00:03:44.025 --> 00:03:45.355 Well, as far as that doesn't,

59 00:03:46.275 --> 00:03:47.815 You Kind of gotta separate these things up.

60 00:03:47.955 --> 00:03:50.735 You know, you gotta pull 'em apart to kind of make 'em, uh,

61 00:03:50.755 --> 00:03:52.295 you know, it's like eating an elephant.

62 00:03:52.515 --> 00:03:54.015 You can only do it one bite at a time.

63 00:03:54.035 --> 00:03:55.895 So when you're developing these systems, you want

64 00:03:55.895 --> 00:03:58.215 to probably develop your biggest one first, right?

65 00:03:58.215 --> 00:03:59.495 Your highest water demand.

66 00:03:59.835 --> 00:04:01.815 And because it has the longest perimeter footage,

67 00:04:02.395 --> 00:04:04.935 the pool zero edge is gonna be the largest water demand.

68 00:04:05.435 --> 00:04:08.415 Um, so figuring out what you ha what you have to have at, at

69 00:04:08.415 --> 00:04:10.295 that, um, uh,

70 00:04:10.295 --> 00:04:13.215 seven gallons per minute per linear foot is your max

71 00:04:13.215 --> 00:04:15.975 operating, uh, uh, capacity.

72 00:04:16.085 --> 00:04:17.255 Well, the good news is you

73 00:04:17.255 --> 00:04:19.605 Came up with 8 36, is that what you said?

74 00:04:19.605 --> 00:04:21.205 8 36, 8 35

75 00:04:21.205 --> 00:04:22.205 And, and some change.

76 00:04:22.265 --> 00:04:24.125 So 8 35 is close enough. Okay. Yeah.

77 00:04:24.825 --> 00:04:26.045 Got it. Um, Have you guys been introduced

78 00:04:26.045 --> 00:04:27.365 to spec pumps yet?

79 00:04:28.325 --> 00:04:32.545 Yes. Well, I've know, I know Chris, um, Callas help.

80 00:04:32.845 --> 00:04:34.065 Uh, Chris who?

81 00:04:34.355 --> 00:04:36.065 Chris Callus Doyle. Chris

82 00:04:36.065 --> 00:04:36.985 Doyle Dole. Yep.

83 00:04:36.985 --> 00:04:38.305 The other, yeah. Yeah. I know Chris Doyle.

84 00:04:38.815 --> 00:04:39.825 I've actually known them for years,

85 00:04:39.885 --> 00:04:41.985 but we always use their Bo Swim Jet.

86 00:04:42.755 --> 00:04:44.085 Good. Yes. One we have to do a one

87 00:04:44.085 --> 00:04:45.205 we have to use is a swim jet.

88 00:04:45.205 --> 00:04:47.045 We always use bo, which is spec.

89 00:04:47.865 --> 00:04:50.805 One of the things we wanna look at is probably hooking up

90 00:04:50.805 --> 00:04:53.805 with, uh, so Taylor over there is the new CEO he took

91 00:04:53.805 --> 00:04:54.885 over for, for his dad.

92 00:04:55.425 --> 00:04:57.205 Um, and they have the Type 95,

93 00:04:57.205 --> 00:04:58.925 which has got four inch in and out.

94 00:04:59.265 --> 00:05:01.685 And that four inch in and out is gonna be awesome

95 00:05:02.085 --> 00:05:04.045 'cause you're gonna be able to operate this 8 35

96 00:05:04.555 --> 00:05:08.595 with probably two pumps, which is ridiculously awesome.

97 00:05:08.915 --> 00:05:11.475 'cause you, you, you can, you can do between three

98 00:05:11.495 --> 00:05:14.315 and 500 with their five to seven horsepower

99 00:05:14.775 --> 00:05:17.875 and it's all in a, in a, a commercial, I'm sorry,

100 00:05:17.995 --> 00:05:20.475 a residentially styled looking pump.

101 00:05:22.245 --> 00:05:25.465 So, wow. Um, I would, I would probably recommend, uh,

102 00:05:25.525 --> 00:05:28.025 the type 95 mm-Hmm.

103 00:05:28.455 --> 00:05:29.705 From them on that.

104 00:05:29.845 --> 00:05:32.425 And, and, and here's the other thing is if you're putting it

105 00:05:32.425 --> 00:05:36.345 on your showroom pool, you're probably gonna get, get them

106 00:05:36.345 --> 00:05:38.625 to budge on, on, uh, on helping with the price

107 00:05:38.625 --> 00:05:39.865 because it's in Jacksonville

108 00:05:40.045 --> 00:05:41.465 and it's gonna be, uh, you know,

109 00:05:42.685 --> 00:05:43.965 advertising their s**t. They're

110 00:05:43.965 --> 00:05:46.125 Like the only ones that make a high power,

111 00:05:46.275 --> 00:05:47.685 like a high flow pump like that.

112 00:05:47.955 --> 00:05:49.845 Well, I guess one of the main ones that

113 00:05:50.595 --> 00:05:52.965 produce a high flow pump like that, aren't they?

114 00:05:53.425 --> 00:05:55.605 You know, it's funny that, that Pentair was the only one

115 00:05:55.605 --> 00:05:57.005 who had the five horsepower that would,

116 00:05:57.050 --> 00:05:58.450 would operate about that two 60.

117 00:05:59.305 --> 00:06:01.885 Um, and, and that was my sweet spot

118 00:06:01.885 --> 00:06:04.565 because I could handle most of that stuff in, in, in

119 00:06:04.635 --> 00:06:07.165 with multiple, multiple pump systems so

120 00:06:07.165 --> 00:06:09.005 that when one goes down, they don't all go down.

121 00:06:09.195 --> 00:06:10.325 It's so to speak. You know,

122 00:06:10.725 --> 00:06:12.765 'cause it's, it's, it's easy to explain the customer why

123 00:06:12.915 --> 00:06:14.285 it's blowing dry right now,

124 00:06:14.285 --> 00:06:18.285 because you've got two pumps down where if, if you got,

125 00:06:18.345 --> 00:06:21.165 you know, the one pump goes down the, the pool,

126 00:06:21.185 --> 00:06:22.845 the pool looks like s**t and then they,

127 00:06:23.085 --> 00:06:24.445 and then they're calling you every week,

128 00:06:24.785 --> 00:06:25.885 why isn't my pump fixed?

129 00:06:25.985 --> 00:06:27.645 You know what I mean? So, um,

130 00:06:27.905 --> 00:06:31.365 to me it was always break it up into the most what pumps,

131 00:06:31.555 --> 00:06:33.685 biggest pumps that you could get.

132 00:06:33.735 --> 00:06:34.965 Right. Um,

133 00:06:35.465 --> 00:06:38.725 and in that realm of, of two

134 00:06:38.725 --> 00:06:40.605 to four seems like the sweet spot

135 00:06:40.705 --> 00:06:43.365 as an auxiliary setup on a pad, right?

136 00:06:43.935 --> 00:06:47.605 Where I had been using the, the, the,

137 00:06:47.745 --> 00:06:50.645 the five horsepower Vs from Pentair Mm-Hmm.

138 00:06:50.725 --> 00:06:52.765 For so long it hit my comfort zone.

139 00:06:53.075 --> 00:06:56.005 Just recently, I've just switched over to the Type 95,

140 00:06:56.345 --> 00:06:58.005 the project that's going in Puerto Rico.

141 00:06:58.265 --> 00:07:00.365 Um, they're probably gonna put two pumps on it

142 00:07:00.365 --> 00:07:04.245 and it's, it's, uh, it's probably the same GPM as as, uh,

143 00:07:04.305 --> 00:07:06.805 or same running foot of, of zero edge as this.

144 00:07:07.725 --> 00:07:08.985 Got it. Yeah. We've used

145 00:07:08.985 --> 00:07:11.185 that Pentair five horsepower quite a bit on other

146 00:07:11.185 --> 00:07:12.385 projects with Grottos.

147 00:07:13.045 --> 00:07:15.145 Oh yeah. It's great. Of Course. A lot of

148 00:07:15.145 --> 00:07:16.985 Water lift and push for sure.

149 00:07:17.375 --> 00:07:19.145 Alright, so, um,

150 00:07:20.195 --> 00:07:22.375 it looks like 8 35 is gonna be our operating,

151 00:07:22.395 --> 00:07:25.295 but good news, bad news is that you, with the pumps

152 00:07:25.295 --> 00:07:27.775 and splitting it up into two, we, you're gonna be able

153 00:07:27.775 --> 00:07:31.375 to maybe put like two four fifties on that bad boy.

154 00:07:32.625 --> 00:07:35.165 So you're gonna be pushing probably 900 gallons a little

155 00:07:35.165 --> 00:07:36.205 bit more than what you want.

156 00:07:36.785 --> 00:07:39.925 Now, uh, when it comes to the plumbing side of that,

157 00:07:40.065 --> 00:07:42.045 remind me on this one, Jack, when it comes

158 00:07:42.045 --> 00:07:44.365 to the equipment set on those two type 90 fives,

159 00:07:44.575 --> 00:07:46.765 we're probably gonna need to install some two-way

160 00:07:46.765 --> 00:07:51.045 butterflies on the discharge side to reign them back in.

161 00:07:51.045 --> 00:07:52.765 Because those are single speed pumps.

162 00:07:53.275 --> 00:07:57.085 They can come with a variable speed, uh, frequency drive.

163 00:07:57.465 --> 00:07:59.325 But I don't think that you need to incur

164 00:07:59.325 --> 00:08:01.925 that cost when it's a single use scenario.

165 00:08:02.255 --> 00:08:03.725 We're not trying to teach the homeowner.

166 00:08:03.835 --> 00:08:05.645 Well, hey, you can have a high medium

167 00:08:05.665 --> 00:08:07.325 and low speed on your zero edge.

168 00:08:07.625 --> 00:08:09.885 No, no, no. Keep it simple point right point. Right? Yeah.

169 00:08:10.025 --> 00:08:12.205 So that single speed you turn it on.

170 00:08:12.345 --> 00:08:13.685 So when we put those ball that,

171 00:08:13.825 --> 00:08:16.045 or the, the two-way valves on the discharge side,

172 00:08:16.515 --> 00:08:17.765 what it's gonna be doing is,

173 00:08:17.785 --> 00:08:21.765 is basically the pumps are gonna be able want to do as fast

174 00:08:21.825 --> 00:08:23.365 as they possibly can, right?

175 00:08:23.855 --> 00:08:26.645 We're gonna have the right plumbing si size on it,

176 00:08:26.865 --> 00:08:29.325 but we're gonna do is we're gonna restrict their flow

177 00:08:29.425 --> 00:08:32.925 to get their motors to run in a, a more operable, uh,

178 00:08:33.025 --> 00:08:35.885 gallon per, uh, or sorry, kilowatt per hour usage,

179 00:08:36.055 --> 00:08:38.045 which also pulls down the GPM.

180 00:08:38.105 --> 00:08:40.245 So we're gonna add artificial head pressure in order

181 00:08:40.245 --> 00:08:41.925 to rein them back in so

182 00:08:41.925 --> 00:08:43.245 that they're operating more comfortably.

183 00:08:43.475 --> 00:08:46.325 Does that make sense? Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. Awesome.

184 00:08:47.275 --> 00:08:49.125 It's almost like putting a restrictor on an engine

185 00:08:49.385 --> 00:08:50.445 is, is really what it is.

186 00:08:51.165 --> 00:08:55.015 Alright, so, um, let's see. I don't need to change.

187 00:08:55.455 --> 00:08:57.955 So, so essentially you're doing a two-way valve.

188 00:08:58.655 --> 00:09:01.155 You're, you're, you're slightly cocking it

189 00:09:01.255 --> 00:09:02.675 to not open it up all the way.

190 00:09:02.735 --> 00:09:04.315 Is that basically what you're saying? Yeah,

191 00:09:04.345 --> 00:09:06.115 It's a cam. Absolutely. Yeah.

192 00:09:06.115 --> 00:09:07.275 You're just camming It. Yep.

193 00:09:07.275 --> 00:09:09.555 You're camming it to, because imagine this is, it,

194 00:09:09.555 --> 00:09:11.035 Is that not bad though for the pump?

195 00:09:11.145 --> 00:09:13.235 That back pressure is that not giving any type

196 00:09:13.235 --> 00:09:14.355 of back pressure on the pump?

197 00:09:14.665 --> 00:09:15.675 Yeah. I was just about to give

198 00:09:15.675 --> 00:09:16.795 you a really good analogy on this.

199 00:09:16.795 --> 00:09:20.475 Imagine having like, um, uh, being one of those, uh,

200 00:09:20.575 --> 00:09:21.795 uh, chariot jockeys.

201 00:09:21.795 --> 00:09:22.995 You seen those chariot races

202 00:09:22.995 --> 00:09:25.115 where they got these quarter horses pulling a chariot.

203 00:09:25.215 --> 00:09:26.435 Oh, it's freaking amazing right?

204 00:09:26.775 --> 00:09:29.635 Now imagine that chariot jockey out of the gate,

205 00:09:29.635 --> 00:09:32.475 just letting that horse run as fast as it could, as, uh,

206 00:09:32.495 --> 00:09:33.675 as wide open as it could.

207 00:09:34.255 --> 00:09:35.275 It would break stride.

208 00:09:35.455 --> 00:09:38.275 It would get out, uh, it would slow, slow itself down,

209 00:09:38.295 --> 00:09:39.915 it would stumble, blah, blah, blah, right?

210 00:09:40.215 --> 00:09:42.195 Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. So operating at full speed

211 00:09:42.545 --> 00:09:44.195 boom is always terrible.

212 00:09:44.335 --> 00:09:47.115 So what you'd almost consider the jockey at

213 00:09:47.115 --> 00:09:49.635 that point on his reins, the governor

214 00:09:49.735 --> 00:09:52.475 to pull back the horse in the beginning of the race

215 00:09:52.895 --> 00:09:54.515 so it doesn't waste its energy

216 00:09:54.515 --> 00:09:57.195 because it's gotta run what, a full lap

217 00:09:57.215 --> 00:09:58.915 or two laps or whatever it is, right?

218 00:09:59.335 --> 00:10:00.995 So it's the same way. You, you,

219 00:10:00.995 --> 00:10:05.955 you're not actually eliminating, um, uh, creating harm

220 00:10:06.135 --> 00:10:08.595 to the athlete or to the, to the, to the pump.

221 00:10:09.055 --> 00:10:11.715 By creating that bag pressure, what you're doing is,

222 00:10:11.775 --> 00:10:15.115 is you're reigning the discharge side of it into where

223 00:10:15.115 --> 00:10:19.355 that the pump is a actually operating at the correct RPMs.

224 00:10:20.735 --> 00:10:23.785 Okay? Maybe I missed on one thing that you said.

225 00:10:24.045 --> 00:10:26.385 Did you say this was a single speed pump or a variable?

226 00:10:26.605 --> 00:10:28.385 Yes, it is a single speed pump. Oh,

227 00:10:28.885 --> 00:10:30.985 It has the, it can still cut down the RPMs though.

228 00:10:31.175 --> 00:10:33.825 Well, it has the ability, it has the ability to be,

229 00:10:33.965 --> 00:10:36.705 to add a, a variable frequency drive to it.

230 00:10:37.455 --> 00:10:38.515 Oh, okay. But I don't,

231 00:10:38.515 --> 00:10:40.435 but I don't think you need to go to that expense.

232 00:10:41.555 --> 00:10:43.235 I see what you're saying for This, but,

233 00:10:43.235 --> 00:10:45.795 But, but, but, but, but essentially cam it down

234 00:10:45.825 --> 00:10:50.585 with the valve is, is that can actually slow

235 00:10:50.585 --> 00:10:51.825 that speed down of that motor.

236 00:10:52.025 --> 00:10:53.065 I guess that was kinda my question.

237 00:10:53.265 --> 00:10:55.225 I thought the motor would still run at a hundred percent.

238 00:10:55.765 --> 00:10:58.105 Oh, uh, uh, yeah, no, so it, the, the,

239 00:10:58.125 --> 00:11:00.985 the motor is basically, uh, you remember how it's,

240 00:11:00.985 --> 00:11:02.265 it's dealing all friction loss, right?

241 00:11:02.845 --> 00:11:04.985 And it's, it's pulling water from the,

242 00:11:04.985 --> 00:11:06.185 from the suction side,

243 00:11:06.565 --> 00:11:10.305 and we cal, we calculate the friction loss pipe, uh,

244 00:11:10.405 --> 00:11:12.785 and the between the water and the pipe wall, right?

245 00:11:13.055 --> 00:11:15.425 It's the same exact thing out the discharge side, right?

246 00:11:15.645 --> 00:11:18.025 Mm-Hmm. So if you just open, float it, right?

247 00:11:18.205 --> 00:11:19.665 The motor would be going so fast

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