Water Meniscus
The water meniscus is the curved surface of water in a container caused by adhesive forces. Let's apply this to a pool. The water level at the edge of the pool will be higher due to these adhesive forces, creating a meniscus.
Wind speeds will affect the amount of meniscus required. The meniscus protects the zero edge or the exotic edge from blowing dry. It’s important to set the customer expectation on how the zero edge will hold up under certain wind conditions for their project. For example, it will increase the budget to design the system to operate in 12 mph wind. under 6 mph winds: 1/8” meniscus 6-8 mph winds: 1/4” meniscus Rule of Thumb: 1/4” meniscus requires 7 gpm per linear foot 10-12 mph winds: 3/8” meniscus Rule of Thumb: 3/8” meniscus requires 13 gpm per linear foot
Notes on 2/29/24 w/ Chris Walton, Jack Spellman, Adam P, and Lee Russell
Friction Loss PVC Charts
5.94 feet per second @ 950 GPM Since it is under 6 feet per second, this means that we can use it for both the suction and discharge side of the feature Waterproofing
Does not recommend basecrete currently as they are having some bonding to itself and temperature Wait about 2 or 3 months until you get it He would recommend doing Permacoat Color of interior finish
Chris recommends Caribbean Blue Perimeter Zero Edge Material
Misc Edits to Existing Drawing
8” beam for zero edge behind trough Redo trough around spa to work with champagne spa Prestige project, show this detail - Harrington PDF, he said would send this to Jack at 2:32:00 via Pratt guys email to Jack Misc
Make the gap larger, 5/8” (On a customers pool, make it narrower) Want to know the total gallons in the top 1” and top 4” of the pool Autofill on Surge tank, bottom draw of that freeboard. Jandy LevolorK1100 electronic auto fill Always operate as approximately 6-8 ft per second for plumbing, refer to Friction Loss PVC Charts Autofill
Jandy LevolorK1100 electronic auto fill Freeboard (Drawdown)
Total Gallons of Freeboard Water in Transit and Displacement Those 2 things above are what you take into consideration to calculate freeboard To calculate Freeboard, you are taking (2) things into consideration We will need to determine what our minimum depth is and maximum depth is inside of the cistern tank in order to properly install the Jandy LevolorK1100 electronic auto fill which this will be taking the freeboard (Water in Transit and Displacement) into consideration Pumps
Titan 95 Pump, single speed (We do not need a variable speed) 300-500 GPM with approx. a 5-7hp pump Need a pump that does approx. 450 GPM each, will put us at about 900 GPM total Meniscus
Zero Edge Beam
16” thick from the waters edge Pool
Linear Ft of Perimeter (Weir Edge) 835 GPM @ 1/4” Meniscus @ 119.33’ linear ft Titan 95, single speed (We do not need a variable speed) Install 2-Way Butterfly Valves Install them on the discharge side (we can cam it down so it doesn’t operate at 100%) Chris Walton is saying this is better for the pump to actually give it a little bit of resistance Creating artificial head pressure Spa
Linear Ft of Perimeter (Weir Edge) Gallons Per Minute for Perimeter Overflow (This has nothing to do with the GPM for the therapeutic jets) Base this on the exterior perimeter, not the interior dimension 108 GPM @ 1/8” Meniscus @ 36’ linear ft 20 gallons per minute per jet Way more efficient for our clients (2) Main Drains (Maybe we use the Pul Drains) (1) For Therapy Jets (Non heated as this will not pass through the gas heater) (1) For the Heated Footwell Return (Heated as this WILL be passing through the gas heater) When the Spa is in the normal Spa/Recirc Mode Water will Pull from Spa Main Drains and Return to Heated footwell return Heating the spa from the bottom up is more efficient. Heat radiates & rises, so installing the returns in the footwell of the spa makes the most sense as this is the most efficient. Spa Jet Pump will be DUAL PURPOSED to be the Zero Edge/Champagne overflow pump on the spa while it is in “Pool Mode” Switches from the main drains in the spa to the main drains in the Cistern Tank Returning Cistern Tank Water to the Spa via Floor Return for the Champagne spa, thus adding to the overflow of the pool as well (Really this would be adding 108 GPM to the Zero Edge of the Pool) Maybe we use a 3rd PUL Drain as the Return line for the 108 GPM Actuator Valve on the Discharge/Return Side of the Spa Jet Pump So now, instead of returning to the spa jets, it is returning to the footwell returns that your circulation pump heats the water Pumps - (4) Total
5-7 HP Pumps from Spec, approx. 500 GPM Chris Walton said he would love to be in the meeting with Spec Pumps and would absolutely love to join in on it once we get something set up with Spec (1) Recirculation Pump w/ Filter This is the Pool recirc Pump. However, this will also be the pump to provide the heat (gas heater) when the spa is in Spa Mode (This will not be returning through the spa jets, this will be providing heat through floor returns) This will also provide the water source for the Laminar Deck Jets This will be utilized for the (8) therapy jets only, this will not be passing through the cartridge filter or the gas heater. (8) Therapy Jets @ 20 GPM per jet = 160 GPM This will also be DUAL PURPOSED to be the Zero Edge overflow pump on the spa while it is in “Pool Mode” Refer to the following Drawings Rewa Plans (Pool Spa Combo, Just the spa has the zero edge, but the set up for the dual pump system shows us the thought process) Switches from the main drains in the spa to the main drains in the Cistern Tank Returning Cistern Tank Water to the Spa via Floor Return for the Champagne spa, thus adding to the overflow of the pool as well (Really this would be adding 108 GPM to the Zero Edge of the Pool) Pool & Spa Plumbing
Blow up Detail of the Spa This will help us understand how we want the plumbing ran so the guys in the field understand how we want the plumbing ran Add (2) Cleaner/Vacuum/Suction Lines TOTAL, (1) in the Cistern Tank and (1) in the Main Pool Plumbing Returns (To main Pool from Equipment)
Need to Supply the Pool now with 950 GPM Returns to be located on the lower portion of the walls (Not on the floor or else you will see the turbulence on the surface of the pool Use their main drain as it has a 4” inlet (34” x 1”) Just increase the thickness of the shell to 16” See Diagram picture that Chris originally texted Jack back on 2/29/24 and Jack then sent via text to Adam on 3/4/24 Out the (2) Pumps, discharge size with 4” lines As soon as these (2) pumps discharge out, ’T’ the (2) 4” lines into (1) 8” line Run to and Joint/Split to back Center of Spa Split off to (2) 6” Lines to run on either side of Pool Split off the 6” to (2) 4” Lines (One 4” line for each Return which we will be using the PUL Pulcollekt LD1 Zero Edge Plumbing (Returns to Cistern Tank)
58 GPM MAX per 3” Drop Down Pipe 16.4 3” Drop Downs = 17 Drop Downs However, we are going to split equally on each side, so we need a even number = (18) 3” Drop Downs Add (1) Extra 3” Drop down on either side to serve as a ‘Studor Vent’, however, it will install no differently as all the other 3” Drop Downs as technically each 3” drop is also the studor vent. (10) 3” Drops on each side of the Pool 3” drop downs will tie into the balance lines Tie (5) of 3” drop downs on 6”, the last (5) of 3” drop downs to be on the 8” and the 8” line will return all the water back to the cistern tank. All 3” drop downs will be on the (2) main straight sides of each pool. We do not need the 3” drop downs where the spa is Min. 24” Spacing between 3” drop downs Install the Suction/Main Drain within cistern tank approx. 6” - 12” off of the floor to help prevent debris from sucking through the main drain Main Drain Plumbing (In Cistern Tank)
A Cistern Tank is a Non Swimmable Body of Water, therefore the Code of the main drains do not come/play into effect as it is not mean to swim in Now if it were designed as something like Davidoff where it is meant for you to swim in, the following would come into effect Then we would need the (2) main drains or 2 Devices in addition to less than 1.5ft per second anti entrapment pool drain cover (anti vortex cover) Anti vacuum breaker line (Vent Line) We need to only have (1) Main Drain Line (Home-Run) to pool equipment, 8” Line (Suction) Create a Manifold back at the Pool Equipment, increase pipe size to 10” for the last 6’ - 8’ as (3) Pumps will be pulling from this (2) Spec Titan 95 Pumps for the Zero Age (1) Spa Zero Edge / Champagne Spa Pump @ 108 GPM Adam has a theory that the size of the cistern is the cubic inches equal to the number of gallons overflow per minute Paver Deck
Chris Walton thinks it would be beneficial to actually slope the deck back to the Pool to help save and conserve water. (This is like against the common pool practice) Chris is saying with todays sanitation systems, we are perfectly fine with doing this This will help save and conserve water Pool Courses
Laminars
To be supplied from Pool Recirc pump Designers or People to Follow
Jason Brownlee, Brownlee Design Peter Jackson, Pure Design in DFW Cold Plunge
Aquacal TropiCool 1000 Chiller 2” Lines running to and from the chiller 10’ x 20’ Lee Russell building at LSU Installed Insulation in-between the two to help prevent heat transfer between the two (Cold Plunge & Hot Plunge) Hot Plunge
9’ x 15’ Lee Russell building at LSU Lee Russell installed 48 Jets in Each One Hydroworx Treadmill Pool
Plumbing Plans
(3) Main Plans for Plumbing Deepest in the trench first (meaning put the plumbing plans in order) Zoom meeting
Every Friday Night, open for anyone to join Chris wants to have this every Friday night, now until end of Pool Season
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